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now for our interview with jack

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sarfati let's turn to russia i've heard

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some of the things that you've said

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it sounds as if you've been in touch

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with some people from russia that russia

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absolutely is pursuing tic-tac-toe

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technology i think so i have reason to

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think that yeah

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but first i should go back in time

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because we have to go back to the 80s

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when i was a scientific consultant for

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the institute of contemporary studies

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uh in san francisco in the early 80s mid

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that this was a think tank set up by cap

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weinberger who was in secretary of

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defense it was actually set up when

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reagan

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was governor of california in late 70s

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milton friedman

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and all these guys so i was hanging out

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with all these guys

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and um i was basically a science

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consultant

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and at that time uh through paul

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nietzsche

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and this guy marshall nafee i was

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talking about any case behind the scenes

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we basically um

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got reagan to uh do star wars

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and the thing is that and we were in

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touch with russians too at that time uh

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and the way that worked hold on a second

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what do you mean you're in touch with

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russians what does that mean

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that means that that with that uh

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through esslin through the warner

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earhard connection

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okay back in esslin that uh eslin was

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involved very much

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with the cia it was a cia operation you

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know eslint brought um

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who was you know that both this

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gorbachev foundation but yeltsin

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okay this is uh this is back um

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i guess right yeah after 89 yeah when

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um eslin the esslin people

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brought yeltsin to america this is

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before he was president of russia

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they brought him to a supermarket in

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texas and he saw the food on the thing

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and they said yeltsin wept

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set that guy down in jesus and wept that

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you know communism was a mistake

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okay and then they brought gorbachev

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there's the gorbachev foundation set up

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eslin people you know and um

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any case and there was the georgie

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arbitoff the uh

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institute for us in canada okay but

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there's a big difference between being

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in touch with russians and say 1990

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versus 1980.

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so yeah okay but wait uh true no no no

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no russians yeah yeah oh

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well because this has already happened

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unless when was the uh

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okay but what happened was we uh

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i was basically talking okay in reagan's

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speech

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rendering nuclear weapons imminent

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obsolete

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i wrote those lines rendering talking

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about the potential of the star wars

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yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there was

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lasers in the sky and

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in space all that stuff and the reason

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that happened the reason that happened

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was because marshall navy made this

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movie with sean connery

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about the media hitting their meteor i

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think it's called meteor you know

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when they go out now and um we were

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uh um we were having dinner

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laurie chickering was the head of the

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institute for contemporary studies

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marshall nafee and i

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at enrico's restaurant rico's was a

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famous place in san francisco

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at that time and um laurie had wanted to

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meet martial as marshall was you know

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major was a partner with al broccoli and

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the james bond movies with the

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in fact marshall even had one of the

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james bond aston martins in his garage

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from one of the movies uh powerful man

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that's when i took lsd with the answer

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any case so so lori wanted to meet

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marshall about something and

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marshall had just made this movie media

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with sean connery

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and marcia was a stoner with stone and

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laurie didn't know

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you know and so boston was

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you know sitting at the round table

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there with rick was bringing rico is

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erica banducci and uh

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hey you know what if

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what if aliens attacked us or a meteor

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and russia and america got together and

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we all got together you know

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for this common enemy and that way we'd

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okay so so lori

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he was afraid so after the lunch was

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laurie asked me to uh said can you write

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up what marshall was talking about

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this is how things get done okay so and

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and i wrote this thing up and then and i

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was also working on things like using

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gamma ray because i had worked at

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cornell with hans beta

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my professor one he was head of

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theoretical physics manhattan project

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this is back in the early 60s we were

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trying to develop an x-ray

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laser you know a gamma ray gamma-ray

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so i was talking about all that stuff

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and so i had written i put in all the

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cells and we could also do this and this

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and that and render nuclear weapons

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this is before we knew about the flying

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sources rendering nuclear missiles

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into an obsolete right okay so

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so i wrote this thing up pie in the sky

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about three pages

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i give it to laurie chickering and uh

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a month goes by i'm walking into the

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cafe triathlete north beach with local

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bohemian hangout

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where francis floyd copeland wrote the

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god of san francisco yeah sam in north

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that's my neighborhood that's where i

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live and and laurie comes in

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says hey jack i gave you a paper to paul

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nietzsche he really liked it

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paul nietzsche was the chief reagan arms

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guy okay and then shortly after all

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but around that time um

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well i also had been i had been

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interviewed about some of this stuff by

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italian television and all this stuff

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and any case the russians a guy named

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igor octarine a physicist from moscow

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would start sending letters you know

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said thank you for

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reading your work and we started

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communicating with him

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it's in my book my new book my book

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destiny major and newborn coming out

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there's a chapter by kimber rafato

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actually was there at the time

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he writes about this whole thing in

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detail and so we were communicating with

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the russians with the knowledge of the

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about all this kind of stuff you know

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with the idea being we're working

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a meteor yes yeah or or even aliens okay

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my sidekick kimber rafato he was a

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navy pilot on board the ranger not a

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pilot he was a

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navy photographer combat for aero you

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know traveling in the airplanes

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and they were seeing ufos they were

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seeing things like tic tacs back then

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there's vietnam vietnam but just put it

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in it what happened to the star wars

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oh yeah what did it create well behind

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you know the israeli shooting the star

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wars thing it's certainly the worst

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shields that was called yeah

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whatever it's called uh the the star

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it definitely works for like an enemy

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like iran and you see what's happening

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you know for small numbers of rockets

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whether it would we couldn't stop

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thousands being launched

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but yeah but was the idea of star wars

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that it would be the laser would be

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in space and would be yeah that's what

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the space force is all about yeah but

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we've got to do that though we've yet to

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put a laser in space that can shoot

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i don't know about that i wouldn't

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assume that see that if anything had

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been so by nick cook and all the secret

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we're all doing that's why we have a

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space for by the way i

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pushed back then in the 80s we need to

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the united states i call it the united

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states space force the sixth military

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now it's called the trump space force

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well that's fine i'm glad i'm glad

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i don't know i was just in trump tower

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in new york and there's they're selling

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t-shirts yeah yeah

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it's great it says space it's great that

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trump did it

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yeah but i was and i'm glad he did it i

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was pushing for him i'm not saying

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i'm gonna say he did because of me i

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don't know i don't know well let's let's

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fast forward to russians today

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okay who are you talking today to enroll

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okay okay so what has happened so it was

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all this russian stuff

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back then the russians were certainly

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aware of who jack sarfati was

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back then okay all kinds of

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corroboration on that and they know

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about my connection with the reagan and

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all that stuff

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oh one other last thing ed teller in his

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dark matter or dark something or other

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reagan announced sdi because he was kept

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out of the loop

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reagan didn't trust teller because he

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was hungarian drew thought he might

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still be a communist sleeper agent

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the reason reagan went for it because he

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he used to work for marshall nafee's

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and they know each other from the movie

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i mean marshall just called reagan at

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the white house where you can pick up

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the phone hey marsha how are you doing

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that kind of like and when he saw

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marshall navy's name on this thing i

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that decided him to do star wars how

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many billions do you think were spent on

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star wars i don't that i don't know that

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yeah i'm not in that loop i don't but

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you could ask chris mellon people like

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i don't know so the um

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okay so okay so then okay now let's go

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back to about 2015 2014.

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uh obama's president trump has not

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announced

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okay i get a call from this guy vladimir

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glad to be uh we are from channel 5 and

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saint petersburg

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and we would like to come and uh video

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you

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i said okay i have photographs

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so they come this is uh they come it's

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about two or three hours taking a bunch

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of video and i'm talking about quantum

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teleportation i'm talking about well you

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know let's fire out stuff

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talk about a little bit flying saucers

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is this different than russian

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television it wasn't rt

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no it's not rt it's channel 5 saint

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petersburg

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but if you look at channel 5 saint

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peter's it's run by some oligarch who's

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a close friend of vladimir putin's

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just look good anything run in russia by

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an oligarch who's close to putin yeah

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right of course

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all right so so they said they

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interviewed me and by the way this way

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before tic tac

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obama's still president this is before

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the elections okay

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and um and they said uh they'll send me

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a video

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so i didn't hear anything i'd look i

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couldn't can't find anything they said

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and they also said they were going to

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translate myself into russian and all

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being russian subtitles and stuff like

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that

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i didn't hear anything i looked i

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couldn't find anything so

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all right but about a year after that

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putin comes out with this thing about

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quantum teleportation

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how russia's going to have this

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multi-billion dollar secret project all

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the kind of stuff i was talking about on

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this okay

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all right all right so all right it's

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fsb

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obviously right all right but here's the

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clincher and here you can because

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i sent you can see me on russian

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television you'll see

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june of 2016 a week before

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trump's 70th birthday the vladimir calls

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him

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up it says jack this is

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short notice but we're doing a special

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program

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on donald trump's 70th birthday and we'd

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like to interview

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well your first question was probably

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what happened to my last interview well

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i didn't ask that

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okay being diplomatic at this point i

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know

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i'll play along

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i did tell my cia friends they knew okay

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nobody told me not to do it

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okay okay so

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the few days they come over they video

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me

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and this i have i took pictures myself

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of them doing it you know

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and but they asked me

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well jack what is what does trump think

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about vladimir putin do you think they

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would get along if trump were president

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first of why are they asking jackson

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they weren't asking me and i said yeah i

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think they would get along excited

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because i knew you know certain

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and they asked me what is trump's

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attitude on nato

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what is trump's attitude on crimea what

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is trump's attitude on syria

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all these political geopolitical

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questions were asking me as i said yeah

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i'm sort of like winging it i sort of

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knocked that

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so and um and

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then i think i sort of knew why they

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were doing it the reason they were doing

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it because they knew about my connection

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with the reagan administration back in

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the 80s they certainly know that

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they know all that right these russians

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spot they're not stupid

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right and they knew about my close

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friendship with michael savage

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for over many years since 1975 i were

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like brothers almost you know

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and michael savage is close friends of

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trump

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savage sometimes mentioned jack says

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friend jack sarfati said no

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all right so they know all that okay

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the most significant thing is as they

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were packing up to leave

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and they're on my email thing you know

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the these guys forget

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let them know you know and um and they

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said

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i don't know i don't know with jack but

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they and he looked at me singing

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they really like you in moscow

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who said that vladimir the guy

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interviewed me like he was just the guy

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he's a grunt man

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he's just following orders right but

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they really like you in moscow and did

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the second interview error

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that you can see that'll yeah that's

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there that one did

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that and wait but they didn't send that

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to me i found out here's how i found out

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so a few months later a guy named dmitry

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zellnertov

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from moscow writes to me email he's on

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facebook

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and he's some kind of editor he says

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jack we'd like to translate all your

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work into russian is that okay so

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sure it's okay all right now i haven't

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read from memories i know what happened

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but but then i said now i told i said i

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told demetrius said hey what were these

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russians fsb oh and i said

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oh i told him about the thing with

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vladimir putin and

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he said yeah we know vladimir putin's

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really into mana he's really

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keen on all this fringe physics you know

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hippie state physics sort of stuff you

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know all this stuff

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he's a smart guy vladimir right and um

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and uh and then

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it was demetri who found the link

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that you know of me on the show with

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trump

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i'm the only american they show there

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i'm at the end twice i appear very

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briefly twice

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again you should watch it the whole

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thing and

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um and then they say on the show then

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dimitri says

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they they announce you as being a

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weird it's weird okay but these are

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facts i'm just gonna just the facts man

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okay

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if you learn that you're not gonna be

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able to get your meeting from trump

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but that vladimir putin would like to

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sit down and talk with you

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and know what you know about

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he already knows he already knows all my

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stuff is on

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is online he they already know well then

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they know for years so does trump then

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so what's the point

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okay you know he's all out there okay no

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trump okay first of all

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trump is under continual attack as we

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know

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okay he's doing what he's doing

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trump's attention i mean you know

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nothing's gonna happen with trump

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until he wins in a landslide in 2020.

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if trump doesn't win if a guy like if

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bolshevik bernie wins

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we're gonna have a shooting civil war

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this guy

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it's gonna be like syria here i'm sorry

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to say this or like it's gonna be bad

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because i already know i i've you know

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i'm in touch with all kinds of people

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they're not going to let it happen

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if it's going to be serious okay so

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and right now with the stars we could be

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even michael severson

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we could have a perfect storm brewing

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right now because if the sars

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thing really gets bad and then there's a

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virus

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yeah corona arrives and if that i'm

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sorry come on thank you

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and if that if the economy if we go into

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chaos in the next few months which by

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the way the democrats some of these

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democrats would like

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you know you heard what's his name bill

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mayer omar

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bill barr yeah yeah that that's the big

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talking point of today is that yeah that

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yeah this is being exaggerated to yeah

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but but if if because of a perfect storm

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with the economy tanking which is

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trump's strong point if he loses and

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bernie gets

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in it's going to be venezuela in a

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couple years you know what's going to

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happen it's going to be casual

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but getting back to trump versus putin

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and meeting with trump

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if you're saying that all the stuff that

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you know about this is already out there

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what would you have to say to trump in

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the meeting what are you holding back

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you would reveal that no no i'm not

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holding back any i'm just saying hey

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donald

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mr president i'm sorry sir mr president

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the race is on

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waking just waking him up to where he

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can be done it needs to be done it needs

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to be done

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and the race is on the russians are

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ahead they have a head start

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and let's let's do this what what should

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happen why did you say the russians have

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a head start

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because they interviewed me on all this

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stuff in 2015.

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i wasn't talking about tick tock time

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but you weren't talking about tic tac

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toe no but i was

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see without see i oh well here's the

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point see

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oh all right this is important fact i

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already had the principles of tic-tac

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without knowing about tic-tac in 2011.

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and in fact i was involved and this is

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very important in 2011 i was involved

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in the creation of the 100-year starship

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project with nasa

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and darpa and i was working

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a close friend of mine creon levitt who

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was kind of a student of mine

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was a second in command a right-hand man

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of general pete warden

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who was running nasa ames since back

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2010 2011

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and he's retired general head of space

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command brigadier general with a phd in

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physics and astrophysics from university

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arizona smart guy

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he was the head of nasa ames and i was

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on the original

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committee of 30 people uh who

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uh was setting up this uh this program

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for darpa to try to develop a starship

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okay and um and then i was

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uh sorry let me stop you there when you

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say a starship that's something that is

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impacting interplaying with gravity yeah

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that was my everything i was talking

548
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about i had it back then i was talking

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about it

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so you're saying that that darpa did in

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fact have projects anti-gravity projects

552
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well yeah but they didn't have my idea

553
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but i was invited but i was

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my i was invited to orlando in october

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of 2011 paid for by nasa arranged by

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general p

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warden and i gave a talk on the same

558
00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:39,840
principles

559
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:41,120
i gave a talk on all the stuff i'm

560
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:43,120
showing you back in 2011. by the way

561
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,240
michael remind me

562
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:46,160
what was the name of the university in

563
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,080
scotland that

564
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:50,160
dundee university and do you remember

565
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:52,000
the guy's name that we found there

566
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:55,679
so part of this guy huh andrew kidd

567
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:58,000
he was a he was working on anti-gravity

568
00:19:02,470 --> 00:18:59,520
device in the 80s

569
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:02,480
he's still alive he emailed me back well

570
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:03,440
get him in touch with me

571
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:05,360
wasn't it get him a tug put him in touch

572
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:06,880
something

573
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:09,520
i could i will do that okay so do you

574
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:10,000
know anything about

575
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:11,600
this dundee university by chance well

576
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:13,360
it's a good university okay and they

577
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,720
have a big physics program there

578
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,559
i would well i don't know but i i would

579
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:18,080
not i'm not rejecting it out of hand i'd

580
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:19,360
like to get in touch with you okay so

581
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:21,280
because i am working with people in the

582
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,120
in the in britain you know

583
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:24,960
so because turber turbo claims that this

584
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:26,720
technology was

585
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:29,039
originated from a university he

586
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:29,840
mentioned

587
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:32,080
dundee university that it found its way

588
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:33,280
to darpa

589
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:34,400
and then it was developed through

590
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,840
dartmouth they may have some exotic

591
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:37,360
propulsion thing but it's not tic tac

592
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:39,120
it's not warp drive i'm pretty sure that

593
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:40,320
because of what the guy said about the

594
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:40,960
1g

595
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:42,880
that's [\h__\h] that's nonsense it's not

596
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:44,000
they may have something but it's not

597
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:44,880
what i'm talking about they have

598
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,840
something else that

599
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:47,280
might be important but it's not what i'm

600
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:49,039
talking about but let me just back to

601
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:49,840
2011.

602
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:52,480
so all the basic stuff i'm talking about

603
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:53,360
now

604
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:57,039
i was giving a speech on in 2011 before

605
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:58,880
i knew anything about tic tac

606
00:20:02,149 --> 00:20:00,640
my the idea hasn't changed got a little

607
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:02,159
better got a little more refined

608
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:04,880
but i was talking about that and i said

609
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:07,280
it might relate to ufos

610
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,720
that brought the house down because they

611
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:09,760
were all they didn't want to talk about

612
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:10,640
ufos

613
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:13,679
and in fact sharon weinberger who's a

614
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:15,919
defense journalist wrote an article

615
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,200
about the big commotion i created

616
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,080
at this meeting talking about ufos and

617
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:23,760
everybody trying to put me down

618
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,600
on the ufo so i was talking about the

619
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,600
tick tick tack propulsion system same

620
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:29,120
what i'm talking about today back then

621
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:32,320
in 2011 and uh

622
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:34,000
she wrote a big an article that got a

623
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:35,919
lot of coverage it was on bbc you could

624
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,280
see the article yourself about jack

625
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:39,039
stefani in this and then this guy gary

626
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,720
beckham wrote an article about ufo's

627
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:42,000
crash and burn

628
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,679
and hundred-year starship he got a lot

629
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,520
of publicity i got a big brouhaha

630
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,520
and also doug trumbull was there doug

631
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:48,960
trummel the guy who did special effects

632
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,600
on 2001. he's into ufos and he's the

633
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,960
only one who defended me

634
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:54,400
and a bunch of the guys who were putting

635
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,280
me down eric davis and this guy

636
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:59,919
what's his name uh john kramer they're

637
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:00,799
now part

638
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,559
they're now on the ufo bed the tic tac

639
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:03,919
bandwagon but then they were putting me

640
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,240
down

641
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,400
but the point is i had the basic i

642
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,159
announced it in this speech

643
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,000
which got a lot of worldwide coverage

644
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,600
and the russians saw that

645
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,600
so whether or not the tic tac that we've

646
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:15,760
seen in the videos is in fact u.s craft

647
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,000
or

648
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,480
instead from the future what we do know

649
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:19,760
one thousand percent

650
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:22,640
is that the u.s itself military black

651
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,120
project

652
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:25,679
has been researching this investigating

653
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:26,400
it

654
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,320
is through that patent

655
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:32,640
i mean we may call this patent to be a

656
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:34,159
bs patent but we know where he's trying

657
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,960
to patent he started

658
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,640
something similar to the tic tac and

659
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,159
there's also that letter

660
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,840
that's in the underwater thing too yeah

661
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:41,039
and there's the chief information

662
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:42,400
officer for the navy

663
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,679
who writes that letter you probably

664
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,880
heard about this that he sends to the

665
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:46,240
patent office the patent office is about

666
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:47,039
to deny this

667
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,799
yeah and they said that because they say

668
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,720
it's not possible yeah and this chief

669
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,480
information officer if i'm getting her

670
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,159
a technology officer for the navy writes

671
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,840
a letter to the patent officer

672
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:58,000
and says that well that's not true it is

673
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,520
possible we are

674
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,440
experimenting with this and china

675
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:02,880
actually we think may even be ahead of

676
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,440
us

677
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,840
and subsequent to that they grant the

678
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,039
patent listen i

679
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:09,120
i hope what he's saying is true i don't

680
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,720
think it is true i think it's some kind

681
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,039
of sophisticated disinformation

682
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:15,280
uh campaign to get the chinese to go off

683
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,159
on a wrong

684
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,640
thing i hope i'm wrong i hope it's true

685
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,080
but i know it's not tic tac

686
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,840
they may have something they may have

687
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,520
some kind of new propulsion exotic

688
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,559
they may have okay they may have some

689
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,240
kind of electromagnetic

690
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:31,280
propellant-less propulsion system in

691
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,080
which there's no

692
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:34,080
jettings or no no gas coming out the

693
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,600
back but it's still

694
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:37,360
basically a rocket it's not going to

695
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,640
have any of the properties

696
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,240
they're still going to feel g-forces in

697
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:42,159
fact the guy admitted they feel g-force

698
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,440
see what i'm talking about there's no

699
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,600
g-forces so they may have something that

700
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,280
flies i don't think they do

701
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,039
maybe they do but it's not what i'm

702
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,799
talking about and it's not tic-tac

703
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:52,400
it would not be something that defies

704
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:53,440
gravity is that what you're saying yes

705
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,159
it would not be so

706
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:56,960
be something that you could that you

707
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,360
could

708
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,320
do these you know 5 000 mile an hour

709
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,840
hairpin turns that would look like

710
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:04,320
thousands of g's that would kill anybody

711
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:05,039
inside

712
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,559
it would not be that they may have

713
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:08,400
something coming but have you read this

714
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,120
patent recently

715
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,520
i looked at it but frankly it looked it

716
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:13,120
seems like so much [\h__\h] that

717
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,559
you know it doesn't fit anything i know

718
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:16,799
about physics i mean there's a few

719
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,360
things

720
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:19,039
let's read one more thing from it before

721
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,720
we wrap up it it says

722
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,720
it is possible to reduce the inertial

723
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,440
mass okay enhance the gravitational mass

724
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,520
of a system object in motion by an

725
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:29,280
abrupt yeah that's the thing that turned

726
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,480
me off since i read that i

727
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,320
i used a toilet paper i use it for

728
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:34,000
toilet paper okay

729
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,360
you know what why because to me it's

730
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:37,280
very impressive no no yeah but let me

731
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,000
tell you something

732
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,240
first of all if you were to do that

733
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:42,000
that's called violating the equivalence

734
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,279
principle

735
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,679
and if you were to do that you would

736
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,760
create a bomb more powerful than nuclear

737
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:49,520
bomb would explode it might destroy the

738
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:50,159
earth

739
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,720
and the way the way to understand that

740
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:53,760
is to read a book

741
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:56,559
called just six numbers by sir martin

742
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,279
reese who is british astronomer royal

743
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:01,440
master of trinity college you don't

744
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,480
wanna there are

745
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,880
if you if you change the inertial mass

746
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,159
you're basically that's like that's like

747
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,320
a nuclear bomb but more powerful

748
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:11,200
so so he he he he says in the summary it

749
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:11,840
says

750
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:14,880
the present invention is directed to a

751
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:16,840
craft

752
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:20,000
using uh an inertial mass reduction

753
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,640
device

754
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:23,039
[\h__\h] total [\h__\h] you cannot have

755
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,840
an inertial mass

756
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,600
reduction device you can't have it by

757
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:27,120
manipulating the higgs mechanism but if

758
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,159
you do that you've got a

759
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,200
you've got a bomb you have a very you

760
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,440
let me let me explain this this is very

761
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,039
important this shows as soon as i see

762
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,720
that i reach for my delete button

763
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,919
as soon as i see that because i know

764
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:40,000
this total [\h__\h] now the thing is

765
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,640
this

766
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,640
in see there's also confusion these guys

767
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,240
are so confused as they don't understand

768
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,080
basic general relativity these engineers

769
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,440
who write this nonsense um i was saying

770
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,440
it's zero g the warp drive

771
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:53,520
the inertial mass doesn't matter the

772
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:55,039
inertial mass drops out of the problem

773
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,480
the initial mass has the

774
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,720
the the inertial mass of the tic tac has

775
00:25:00,549 --> 00:25:00,320
nothing to do with the way the tic tac

776
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:00,559
is

777
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:04,559
einstein's equivalence principle

778
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:08,240
that when any that that everything excel

779
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,760
in a gravitational field everything

780
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,520
accelerates to the same rate

781
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,960
doesn't matter what it's made out of

782
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,720
that's called the equivalence principle

783
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,880
so right away mr paise does not

784
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:18,320
understand einstein's equivalence

785
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,440
principle which is the

786
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,960
foundation the bedrock of general

787
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,559
relativity of einstein's theories

788
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,679
which have been battle tested and

789
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,760
improved okay okay so

790
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,279
what about the way he describes the

791
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,799
craft i'm just curious that this would

792
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:30,240
sound similar to the type of craft you

793
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:31,120
would have in mind that would be

794
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,559
developed

795
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,760
there's an outer resonant cavity wall in

796
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:36,640
inner

797
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,799
yeah cavity wall the microwave emitters

798
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,640
create high frequency electromagnetic

799
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,799
waves throughout the resonant cavity

800
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,640
causing the outer resonant cavity wall

801
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,559
to vibrate in an accelerated mode and

802
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,880
create a local polarized vacuum

803
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,960
outside the outer resident cavity that's

804
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:55,360
[\h__\h] i suppose it has a few things

805
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:56,480
that sound a little bit like what i'm

806
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,039
talking about

807
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:59,600
but no because it turns out the first of

808
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,320
the polarizer

809
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,559
so see there's no numbers in there if

810
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,159
you were to try to do that and put

811
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,520
numbers and you'd find out that it

812
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:07,279
required too much energy to do it that's

813
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:08,080
the whole point

814
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:16,070
the formulas are are are [\h__\h]

815
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,960
they're not they're not

816
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,559
they're not anything that is that a

817
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:20,720
physicist in quantum electrodynamics on

818
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,120
and

819
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,120
a physicist just look at one of those

820
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,799
formulas and tell us what it's trying to

821
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,240
uh well i don't know because it's

822
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,760
portrayed you know i don't know what

823
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:29,039
it's trying to put i'd have to

824
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,720
you know it's just stay on the mic while

825
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,880
you do yeah yeah i mean it's just

826
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,320
it makes no sense to me because he

827
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:36,000
doesn't give enough background it's like

828
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:37,039
out of nowhere

829
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,640
it's just you know either he has to do

830
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:40,080
well you'd have to reread those yeah i

831
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:41,360
have to read the whole thing

832
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,960
um but it's just it has nothing

833
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,360
it has but by by the way it has nothing

834
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:48,720
to do with what i'm talking about which

835
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:48,960
is

836
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:51,840
mainstream theoretical physics that any

837
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:52,400
physicist

838
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,600
would understand what do you think about

839
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:55,360
the fact that the patent was issued that

840
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,159
it was granted

841
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:58,159
well i think i think as i told chris

842
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,520
millen

843
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,200
who was on the senate intelligence

844
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,520
committee at one point i think

845
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,360
this has to be investigated by the

846
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,880
senate intelligence committee

847
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,880
and see what's really going on here and

848
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,880
i think like they called richard feynman

849
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,320
on the challenger thing they should call

850
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:14,159
jack starfire to be an expert witness on

851
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,480
this

852
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,240
and let's go over it very carefully with

853
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,760
other physicists like kip thorne and

854
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,080
let's see what's going on there that's

855
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,480
the only way to do it properly

856
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,480
okay before we wrap up i want to talk to

857
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:26,720
you just take a step back from all of

858
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,120
this

859
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,600
because i know you have done lots of

860
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:31,440
deep thinking about

861
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:34,399
physics and consciousness and so forth

862
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:34,880
and

863
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:39,120
ultimately you you basically believe

864
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:39,840
that

865
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,039
psychic abilities are real yeah uh

866
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,799
and can be explained from a scientific

867
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:46,559
yeah absolutely absolutely so give us a

868
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,919
give us a touch of that and then we're

869
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,200
going to finish with the meaning of life

870
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:51,440
okay and we're going to wrap that all up

871
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,320
in the next ah

872
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,320
sweet mystery of life at last i found

873
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:56,000
you uh

874
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,600
now at last i know the meaning of it all

875
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:59,200
i used to be at gilbert and sullivan 10

876
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:00,480
are you college

877
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,559
okay um okay now remember the cia

878
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,159
and the defense department guys the

879
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,320
spooks back in even as a kid

880
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,520
and in the 70s with the sri

881
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,520
and remote viewing and all that they

882
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,720
want to know two things how does

883
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:16,480
consciousness work how do flying sources

884
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,880
fly

885
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,799
so i've been given two problems to work

886
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,919
on and i

887
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,919
claim i've solved them both by the way

888
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:23,279
i'm working with nick cook on all this

889
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:23,600
stuff

890
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,880
okay yeah we have a group in italy

891
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,640
trying to do all this that's

892
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,320
we have the italian air force on our

893
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:30,960
side now and trying to get eu funding to

894
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,279
do

895
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:33,760
exactly said make the meta materials in

896
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,559
in italy

897
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,360
we have we have a uh uh an advanced

898
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,960
research institute of postgraduate

899
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,880
institute that on board to do this so

900
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:43,120
it may happen in eu okay so we've talked

901
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:44,320
we've talked about the flying saucer

902
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,279
part now we're talking

903
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,679
okay okay so it has to do with intel

904
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:49,840
what's called quantum entanglement

905
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,880
to einstein called the telepathy you

906
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,279
know spooky action at a distance

907
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,880
that two particles even though they're

908
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,880
widely separated if they share a common

909
00:29:01,190 --> 00:29:00,399
what's called quantum mechanical wave

910
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,200
function

911
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,039
that they're instant contact with each

912
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:04,320
other all right

913
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,919
so now the thing is this there is this

914
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,000
thing called quantum entanglement which

915
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,320
is now a big part of quantum computing

916
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,679
big part of what's with quantum

917
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,159
cryptography the chinese are building

918
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,320
this quantum internet in space

919
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,399
you know this is all very big stuff and

920
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,919
it was my if you read how the hippies

921
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:22,159
say physics by mit professor

922
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:25,360
uh david kaiser he credits my group

923
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,200
with uh kickstarting this whole effort

924
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,640
back in the 70s when everybody thought

925
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,559
it was crazy too they also spooky you

926
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,679
know

927
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,000
so the point is this in quantum

928
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:39,200
mechanics you have this entanglement

929
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:42,559
but you cannot use the entanglement

930
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,279
i cannot beam a message from my mind to

931
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:46,960
your mind through entanglement according

932
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,039
to quantum mechanics

933
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:51,679
because what happens is if i try to do

934
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,480
that

935
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,520
there's local noise your brain will have

936
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,640
noise in it that will

937
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:59,360
mask that will mask the uh the message

938
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,240
you won't be able

939
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,919
to get the message the message may be

940
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:03,600
that you could see a message was there

941
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,480
but you have to do it

942
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,000
after the fact you have to use special

943
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,159
techniques to to to

944
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:10,799
decode the message okay so that's where

945
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:11,440
it stood

946
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,559
so when you read david kaiser's book on

947
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,320
episode physics

948
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:19,200
the official line there oh jack and his

949
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:19,760
friends

950
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:23,120
they created this stuff but they failed

951
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:23,919
because of this

952
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:27,120
effect this no this effect now it turns

953
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,919
out

954
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,440
that's true in quantum mechanics but

955
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:31,200
quantum mechanics is only a limiting

956
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,559
case of a more general i call it

957
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:33,840
post-quantum theory

958
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:36,880
living matter is

959
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:40,000
post quantum theory it turns out if you

960
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:43,760
pump a system residently

961
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,520
with the right energy you can

962
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:50,399
use entanglement to actually send

963
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:51,279
messages i could

964
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,880
that you could actually see the messages

965
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,279
in other words a telepath like arigala

966
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:57,120
you know can send you a message or the

967
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,640
grays you know these

968
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,559
threes they can telepathically

969
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,760
communicate

970
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,799
because living matter biology has to do

971
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,039
what's called post quantum phenomena

972
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:10,399
and there's something called it's hard

973
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,919
to get into it you know if you

974
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,279
there's there's a something called

975
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,519
action reaction it turns out in quantum

976
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,559
theory

977
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,159
has to do with what are called quantum

978
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,399
waves the quantum waves

979
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,640
they call probability waves but they're

980
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,159
really their thought waves they're

981
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,480
mental waves in other words the universe

982
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:29,360
divides into a mental physical it's a

983
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,320
physical wave

984
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,480
but it's it's they're like mental waves

985
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:34,480
and there are material waves

986
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:38,640
okay in ordinary quantum mechanics

987
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,679
the mental quantum probability wave

988
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:44,399
is able to act to move to change the

989
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,880
motion

990
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:47,200
of matter but there's no direct back

991
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,480
reaction of the matter

992
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,320
on the mental wave it's a certain

993
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,159
approximation which happens in what's

994
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:54,480
called thermodynamic equilibrium

995
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,919
and in that system you cannot use

996
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,679
telepathy or entanglement as a

997
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:00,960
communication or

998
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,320
control or say command community a c3

999
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,159
quantum entanglement by itself cannot be

1000
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:07,919
a command control communication

1001
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:10,640
channel if you're in thermodynamic

1002
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,440
equilibrium

1003
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:13,039
but if you pump the system off

1004
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:14,480
equilibrium in a certain way in a

1005
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,200
resonant way

1006
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,799
then you can use it in fact that's

1007
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,159
what's happened that's what the remote

1008
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,760
view is that's what they were doing

1009
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,000
at sri lanka okay so so these are things

1010
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:23,919
that are theoretically possible or have

1011
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,559
actually been no

1012
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:29,120
well they were seeing it all the time in

1013
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:30,080
the laboratory

1014
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,279
but they didn't understand how it could

1015
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,279
happen according to physics so i've

1016
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:35,120
explained what they're seeing in terms

1017
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,600
of

1018
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,679
physics oh just like the tic tac so you

1019
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:39,360
you believe the remote viewing actually

1020
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,159
happened yes

1021
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:42,000
and now you're explaining it from a

1022
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,440
physical yeah it's not

1023
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,880
physical and it turns out the physics

1024
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,720
that explains it is not that different

1025
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:48,559
from the physics that explains tic tac

1026
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:51,679
the two things are very interrelated

1027
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,640
which is why i am saying that it's a

1028
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,559
conscious computer on board the tic tac

1029
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,919
that's controlling it because the

1030
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,600
physics is very similar similar there's

1031
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:01,120
an overlap in the physics is there ever

1032
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:02,000
been a controlled

1033
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:05,919
study to prove that remote viewing

1034
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:09,200
was really happened yeah a scientific

1035
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,519
site

1036
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:11,120
because you got debunkers out there that

1037
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,559
say none of this is there well

1038
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:14,240
yeah well well some of them are they

1039
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,600
wanted to be known as some are just

1040
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,880
idiots and some are just working say

1041
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:17,760
they're afraid they don't want the

1042
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,720
public to know

1043
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:20,799
but i'm not the person to ask you should

1044
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:22,480
ask russell todd come in you should ask

1045
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:23,919
kit green from the uh

1046
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:26,720
retire from the cia the key guy who

1047
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:28,000
monitored all this stuff

1048
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,279
and they said yeah i don't want to fight

1049
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,039
that's not my battle to fight there are

1050
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:33,200
plenty of guys willing to fight that but

1051
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,559
get demons but you're saying it makes

1052
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:36,240
sense to you that remote viewing should

1053
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,360
be possible

1054
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,600
i know exactly how it works in terms of

1055
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:40,960
laws that doesn't violate any laws of

1056
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,519
nature

1057
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,000
and a human theoretically can do it

1058
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,240
without the aid of any

1059
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,559
thing external to the human yes in fact

1060
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,600
that in fact

1061
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:51,120
you have russell todd come on you know

1062
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,640
we have him come on he gives

1063
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,440
he gives uh workshops in in developing

1064
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,679
the ability he says everybody can do it

1065
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,279
it's a natural it's an it's not

1066
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,720
something you hear much about it

1067
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,399
right that's because of that's because

1068
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,919
of you know the uh that's the whole

1069
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:05,120
reason that i don't get

1070
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,399
him why that that's that's what the

1071
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,840
whole marxist material is there's a

1072
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,280
whole other thing to get into that

1073
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,800
cultural market we get into that it's

1074
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:12,159
another show well let's just ask this

1075
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,280
question is the cia

1076
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,839
still employing it of course they are of

1077
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,960
course there so they've got people

1078
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:18,000
sitting in rooms

1079
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,750
in fact that's one of the reasons we

1080
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,919
started doing it because the who was the

1081
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,599
head of the cia at that time back in the

1082
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:31,280
60s wrote a paper they were afraid the

1083
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,240
russians were ahead

1084
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,079
and they probably are of course yeah

1085
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:35,599
that's a whole you know it's a lot of

1086
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:36,399
literature on that

1087
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:39,040
okay so this is a long stretch to take

1088
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:40,240
into the next level let's just

1089
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,440
do it and that is what what is what we

1090
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:45,119
see what is the universe obviously i'm

1091
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,839
sure you

1092
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,359
i presume you believe in the big bang

1093
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:48,560
but maybe we'll start with that but

1094
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,440
ultimately what is this because i've

1095
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,800
heard you say in an interview something

1096
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,839
that

1097
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,679
the whole universe is seeming like a

1098
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,040
consciousness or

1099
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:57,280
well thought maybe you said well okay

1100
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,480
but no okay that's

1101
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:01,200
sir james jeans back in the 20s one of

1102
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,240
the early

1103
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,119
philosophers of quantum mechanics he was

1104
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,640
an astronomer i believe and he said the

1105
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:08,400
universe is more and more looking like a

1106
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,359
great thought

1107
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,440
rather than a great machine and he was

1108
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,359
referring to the fact that the quantum

1109
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,119
waves of probability

1110
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:17,040
are really like mental waves they are

1111
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,560
they're phys

1112
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,400
you know their their physical thought

1113
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,720
their mental fields are physical fields

1114
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,640
but they're quantum information fields

1115
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,880
and we've only recently begun to realize

1116
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,560
that you have to take that literally so

1117
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,480
james jeans already saw it back in the

1118
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,400
20s and he even deals more

1119
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,079
you know people are speculating it's

1120
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,400
even the great

1121
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,160
you know john von neumann fritz london

1122
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:39,599
they all kind of sort of

1123
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:42,640
knew it but they eugene vigna even you

1124
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,520
know they say

1125
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:45,119
collapse the wave function generates

1126
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,560
consciousness but you know

1127
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,079
so the idea is floating around in a

1128
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:50,000
vague way i've made it precise with the

1129
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,440
actual equations what it is

1130
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,320
no more [\h__\h] so so it has to with

1131
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,920
something that david bowm did david bone

1132
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,680
worked with einstein i worked with david

1133
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,720
baum

1134
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:01,680
it has to do with that and the universe

1135
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:02,240
is

1136
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,760
machine it's both

1137
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:07,839
and it's the two-way relationship

1138
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,800
between

1139
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,160
the great thought and the great

1140
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:12,240
clockwork universe of newton the two

1141
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,960
together

1142
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:15,200
the cultural action reaction and that

1143
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,480
generates consciousness

1144
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,480
so it is possible we live in a conscious

1145
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,839
universe yes

1146
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,599
and there's all kinds of against detail

1147
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:22,880
it turns out the cut

1148
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:25,920
the uh teal hard to de chardin

1149
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,680
i don't know dan was a jesuit uh

1150
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:31,920
priest who was also a cosmologist an

1151
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,720
astronomer

1152
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,000
some of the you know the jesuits are

1153
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,760
pretty smart and uh

1154
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:38,240
and he had this idea they make a point

1155
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,119
that in the far

1156
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,599
future the mind of god is actually in

1157
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,200
the far future and we're being this

1158
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:45,119
destiny and pulling it pulls toward the

1159
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:46,000
mind of god

1160
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,680
so even though it was a big bang but the

1161
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:49,680
big bang was designed from the future

1162
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:50,400
back in time

1163
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,520
through these loops in time they're

1164
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,240
talking about okay see it all fits

1165
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:57,040
and uh so bottom line uh obviously you

1166
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,480
think there is

1167
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,520
some ultimate meaning to

1168
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,160
the universe that is well yeah i know i

1169
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,839
think there's a god

1170
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,520
but i know what it is it's about i mean

1171
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,960
i know the equation

1172
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,960
okay you have the god equation the god

1173
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:12,720
equation you know but you know who said

1174
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,119
that you

1175
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,599
first said that donald ronald reagan

1176
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,880
because ronald reagan was reading my

1177
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,920
stuff from the cap

1178
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:20,640
ronald reagan and it's 19 i think it

1179
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,680
says 1986 state of the union

1180
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,119
okay reagan wait reagan this is

1181
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,119
important look at the speech reagan says

1182
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,960
and physicists have found the equations

1183
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,640
for god

1184
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:32,320
the physicist jack sarfati that's who

1185
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:33,440
he's talking that's what reagan's

1186
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:34,079
talking about

1187
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,599
i believe in a scientific explanation

1188
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:37,599
for god so okay so tell us then

1189
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:40,880
uh what what or who is god well god is

1190
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:41,280
this

1191
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,200
that's not what's called a

1192
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,040
our disinter-future horizon which is

1193
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:48,960
this giant conscious okay

1194
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,920
god is his cosmic scale conscious

1195
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,760
computer

1196
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,599
you know sending the spacecraft on the

1197
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,200
future if you want and by the way i'm

1198
00:38:03,109 --> 00:37:59,520
not the only guy who's come up with this

1199
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:03,119
fred hoyle fred hoyle who was

1200
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,160
the professor at cambridge where's when

1201
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:08,400
fred hoyle died stephen hawking took

1202
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:09,440
fred hoyle's chair

1203
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,640
fred hoyle wrote a book called the

1204
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:12,480
intelligent universe

1205
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,839
he used to come down to la jolla all the

1206
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,760
time friend when i was graduating so

1207
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,359
this is and what would this theory say

1208
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,200
about multiple universes

1209
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:21,119
uh leaves it moot that's possible it

1210
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:22,320
depends what you mean the different

1211
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:23,040
meanings of what

1212
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,400
they're just several different meanings

1213
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,839
of multiple universes i don't want to

1214
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:27,280
get into details now it's too much

1215
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:28,880
if you want to do other shows we can you

1216
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:31,280
know talk about that

1217
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,480
depending what you mean there could be

1218
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,920
multiple universes but we're talking

1219
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,839
about our universe the universe that we

1220
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,880
can see with

1221
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,920
telescopes and stuff like that our

1222
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,760
it could be one of many universes and

1223
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,280
the intelligence i'm only to about the

1224
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,359
intelligence our universe maybe this

1225
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:47,280
other universal other you know and then

1226
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,720
you maybe can communicate with them

1227
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:50,560
through wormholes through stargates too

1228
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,280
it's a but the point is yeah that i call

1229
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,720
it the destiny matrix i wrote a book

1230
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,920
called the destiny matrix

1231
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,920
and the thing is there's this physicist

1232
00:39:03,750 --> 00:38:59,440
named yaki aharanov

1233
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,760
who obama gave a science medal to

1234
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,280
who is talking same thing i'm talking

1235
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:07,760
about he calls destiny waves from the

1236
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,240
future

1237
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:10,000
history waves from the past it's

1238
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,599
happening two ways in time

1239
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,680
so i'm not the only crazy guy talking

1240
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,280
about this is this crazy

1241
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,880
jewish guy yucky who got the

1242
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:18,960
presidential medal from obama talking

1243
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,680
about it

1244
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,680
your turn you got anything do you want

1245
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:23,599
to anything i missed or any burning

1246
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,480
question you have that

1247
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,160
you do you want to ask mike or is it

1248
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,240
true okay

1249
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,839
all right we're going to give michael to

1250
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:31,839
mike here for a quick uh follow-up

1251
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,920
who's delved into this for many more

1252
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,880
years than i have

1253
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,960
so here's my only question about

1254
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,040
spacecraft coming from the future or the

1255
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:41,200
tic tacs coming from the future because

1256
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,560
yes a lot of people have said this

1257
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,160
got to be honest it doesn't resonate

1258
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,480
with me and i'll tell you why

1259
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:51,599
if i am from the future and

1260
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:55,680
i am a result of human intelligence

1261
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,880
even if i am a super artificial

1262
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:00,640
intelligence

1263
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:04,800
i would postulate that my values

1264
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:07,040
and my sensitivity towards the human

1265
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:08,319
animal would be such

1266
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:11,920
that i might obscure myself so if i'm a

1267
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,480
tic tac

1268
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,800
why am i hanging out around the nimitz

1269
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:17,359
encounter and i do believe

1270
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,359
that the tic tac was not made by man but

1271
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:24,480
where it came from i don't know so my

1272
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,280
question is like

1273
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:28,160
jack valet said that perhaps the

1274
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,119
phenomena

1275
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:32,160
exists right beyond

1276
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,599
our understanding so jacques is wrong

1277
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:37,440
he's just wrong i know jacques very well

1278
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,720
i know jack from the seminar i know you

1279
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:40,560
do and that's why i'm posting because

1280
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:44,560
you know let me jog is simply wrong

1281
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,280
jacques is a good guy he knows he

1282
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,960
doesn't know the physics i know

1283
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:50,480
jacques is a he's an observational

1284
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,920
astronomer he's a good social

1285
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:53,200
psychologist a lot of

1286
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,280
jacques field work with contactees

1287
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,760
and stuff like that his psychology as a

1288
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:01,440
social scientist he's very good

1289
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:04,640
but he simply does not know what i know

1290
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:08,400
and he's just acting out of uh a lack of

1291
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,040
knowledge

1292
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,800
okay if he knew what i knew he'd be uh i

1293
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:12,960
mean he may be changing his mind

1294
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,079
let me just say this they reveal

1295
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,839
themselves to the navy that's basically

1296
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,960
all i'm saying because listen

1297
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,960
i don't know where they came from but i

1298
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,800
do know

1299
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,880
i know jack i'm impressed with you i

1300
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:24,079
love this talk but this is just

1301
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,520
something that i've always thought about

1302
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,520
long before today people have been

1303
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,880
talking about okay the fact of the

1304
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,560
matter is the fact that matters i was

1305
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:32,319
contacted as a child i understand that

1306
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,359
by this intelligence

1307
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,640
told me what was going to happen 20

1308
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:36,079
years in the future which did happen and

1309
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,960
it's still happening

1310
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,240
and everything is happening according to

1311
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:40,079
plan and i would say

1312
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,359
oh wait wait wait wait what if

1313
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,119
i'm interested what happened what is not

1314
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,640
what if i could speculate the mood is

1315
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,160
made out of green cheese too

1316
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,240
i don't know here's the point the point

1317
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:53,119
is there's a star trek movie where is it

1318
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,680
star trek

1319
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,720
it's number four i know which one you're

1320
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:56,640
talking about okay now it turns out that

1321
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,200
movie

1322
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,680
i was asked by paramount pictures to

1323
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,960
actually explain

1324
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,520
all this stuff and they they have me in

1325
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,599
the director's cut

1326
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,319
uh the dvd i'm talking about this kind

1327
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,000
of stuff the paramount pictures

1328
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:12,480
because in that movie you remember

1329
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:13,119
there's a

1330
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,720
crazy rocket scientist developing the

1331
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,560
warp drug that's me right

1332
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:19,119
that's me i was also by the way in back

1333
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,920
from the future

1334
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,839
back to the to the future i was hanging

1335
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,599
out with with francis ford coppola and

1336
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,720
his rat pack back then

1337
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,480
that we wrote a book space time and

1338
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,319
beyond that i'm

1339
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,160
the i'm the the model for the crazy

1340
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:31,680
scientists coming back from the future

1341
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,589
just once just one second just hear me

1342
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,319
out

1343
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:41,040
my point is i'm thinking if i am a

1344
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:41,680
result

1345
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:45,680
of humans that i have a ethical

1346
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:48,960
feeling about this and i just don't

1347
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,920
think you expose yourself to humans

1348
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,359
listen if i'm a traveler if you know if

1349
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:55,040
i'm a hunter on the serengeti but you

1350
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,680
don't exist

1351
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,760
unless i create you don't you get that

1352
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,119
that's what you're not getting

1353
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:02,000
i created you i'm going to create you i

1354
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,119
am in the process the computer in the

1355
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,960
future is going to create me right now

1356
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,400
is that what you're saying no the

1357
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,400
computer in the future is saying

1358
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:10,160
jack we want to give you the information

1359
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:11,440
i understand you can create us

1360
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,560
right i understand that so that's so

1361
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,040
it's it's what's called in physics it's

1362
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,880
called a novakov

1363
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:19,520
igor novakov is a physicist in russia in

1364
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,240
moscow

1365
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,160
who works with kip thorn at cal tech on

1366
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,680
all this stuff they publish papers

1367
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,720
what are called self jack i get it

1368
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,040
last question what if i'm deceiving you

1369
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,720
because this is a way that i feel like

1370
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,400
you can understand it best

1371
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,480
well what if this is this is idle

1372
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:35,520
speculation i

1373
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,030
said to napoleon i have no need of that

1374
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,280
hypothesis you're making it complicated

1375
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,119
i i don't want to insult you but as

1376
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,200
einstein said i'm not making it

1377
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,839
let me quote einstein einstein said any

1378
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:57,520
intelligent fool

1379
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:01,839
more complicated

1380
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:05,119
it takes genius to make it simple

1381
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:06,560
okay let me how about just answering

1382
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,760
this is very important why would they

1383
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:09,119
reveal themselves to the navy as they

1384
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:09,760
did

1385
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,880
because that was because obviously why

1386
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,000
because then people can take it

1387
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seriously it's a military threat

1388
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and that's why that that led to october

1389
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that led to

1390
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tucker talk carl do you know tucker

1391
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personally by the way have you met him

1392
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,440
you know tucker carlson has given shows

1393
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,040
on this yeah oh yeah yeah he should have

1394
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,720
me on his show he has uh

1395
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,319
nick pope who's a nice sweet guy but

1396
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:32,240
doesn't understand the physics

1397
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,359
you know he has people who don't know

1398
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,599
what the yeah he has louis elizondo

1399
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,359
who's a very good guy and he's trying

1400
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,800
but he's not a physicist doesn't have

1401
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the intellectual equipment to explain

1402
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what's going on so they're revealing

1403
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:42,400
themselves because they want us to

1404
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,040
develop it

1405
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:45,280
yes yeah of course and then and there

1406
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,720
you go yeah nice and simple

1407
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:49,280
yeah there's a military threat my friend

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we could keep going

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but we're hungry right let's go all

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right let's go okay thank you once again

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to

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our good friend jack sarfati for that

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great

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fun discussion thank you to our producer

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michael parker

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thank you all for listening we'll be

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back soon with another episode

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